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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
 Posted - 10/31/2009 : 17:08:41
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Not written by me but words to live by if you carry:
Have a concealed carry license. Some people don't like this but it alleviates some legal issues.
Know the laws of concealed carry--where you can carry, where you can't, how you can carry (in some states you can carry openly), etc.
Have a concealable firearm. Carry a .50 S&W Model 500? Not unless you are a 350 pound linebacker.
Know how to use your firearm. Practice A LOT.
Always carry a spare, loaded, magazine or speed loader.
Carry effective ammo.
Never carry a weapon when you are intoxicated.
Always keep your firearm in your immediate possession. Don't leave it laying around in an unsecured gym bag, for example.
Try a variety of holsters. Some are more comfortable for longer wear than others.
Dress appropriately (ie: avoid tight clothing that gives the public a clear outline of your firearm).
Avoid places where you are likely to need your firearm (bad neighborhoods, bars, ATMs in bad section of town at midnight, etc).
Learn de-escalation tactics so you can diffuse a situation and not need a firearm.
Practice drawing your weapon, practice stance, practice quickly identifying shoot-no shoot targets, practice scanning what is behind your target, practice close combat shooting skills, etc.
Practice for unusual situations--low light shooting, multiple attackers, what to do when an animal (usually a dog) is attacking, weapon retention, etc.
Never draw your weapon on someone unless you intend to kill them.
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Gun Control: A solution looking for a problem.
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vanzette
USA
95 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 00:26:11
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| Dmars- good post. Some may seem really obvious, but I know guys that just don't think ahead. This list will help LOTS of people. Including me. |
"The news said it's raining in New York." |
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PKL
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 08:31:19
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| good post. i need to start carrying an extra mag religiously. so silly not to |
Walther PPS
Stag 2T AR-15
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SMMAssociates
USA
165 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 00:51:44
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Dmars:
Excellent....
(I've been carrying for more than 40 years....)
PKL:
A guy dropped in on a friend, and when he knocked, the homeowner hollered: "Come on in!", so he did.... While sitting in the parlor, he decided to visit the powder room. At which point he notices his friend in the bathtub praying feverishly....
Moishe? What the heck are you doing?
Well, Sam, I had a problem a few days ago, and the Doctor told me to take a bath every day, religiously.... 
(I used to carry a double-stack .45 without a spare magazine. The spare tended to pull my pants down. Switched to a single-stacker and a spare. Two, if I feel the urge.... Much safer. Same for the PPS40.)
Regards,
Stu. |
Why write a quick note when you can write a novel? |
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branflake12
USA
219 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 16:39:50
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| I need to find a good way to carry another mag. No IWB room left without buying new pants...No pocket room left (cant carry wallet in back pocket anymore...doc's orders) and OWB tends to look like ...well a magazine. Wonder if i could get a cell phone pouch (horizontal) with the right demensions? |
"You can't carry too much ammo...
Unless you're trying to swim. Or on fire."
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PKL
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 16:49:55
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Originally posted by branflake12
Wonder if i could get a cell phone pouch (horizontal) with the right demensions?
I'm sure you can and I think its a great option. A cheapo nylon horizontal cell holster with a little PPS mag will just look like you are carrying a cell phone. |
Walther PPS
Stag 2T AR-15
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branflake12
USA
219 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 12:37:14
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Thats exactly what i was thinking...
This is a knock off brand for my phone that might work
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6756
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"You can't carry too much ammo...
Unless you're trying to swim. Or on fire."
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fonejack54
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2009 : 12:33:19
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| I carry a spare mag in the watch pocket of my blue jeans. Seems to be quickly accessible and comfortable. |
I was young once, I wasn't very good at it ! |
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Burgs
35 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 00:19:51
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| branflake12 Nice Pouch. It looks like it would work for a lot of different mags. Good price too! Cordially, Burgs |
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TDR911
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 11:25:42
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I use a inexpensive nylon cell phone holder with velcro as a mag holder. Works well and cheap.
Great words for CCW carriers Dmars
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He who "Hesitates" has Lost.
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Freg14
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 07:35:58
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| Do you always carry with a chambered round? This may seem like a stupid question, but as I am new to CCW, I am concerned about accidental discharge. I have been carrying with the mag in, but without a chambered round until I get confortable with carrying. What are your thoughts/suggestions? |
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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 11:26:34
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Originally posted by Freg14
Do you always carry with a chambered round? This may seem like a stupid question, but as I am new to CCW, I am concerned about accidental discharge. I have been carrying with the mag in, but without a chambered round until I get confortable with carrying. What are your thoughts/suggestions?
Once you are comfortable carrying your weapon the next step is to start carrying chambered. Your PPS will not fire unless the trigger is pulled....period. Striker fired weapons are all very safe to carry chambered. Be sure to invest in a good holster if you have not already. |
Gun Control: A solution looking for a problem.
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SMMAssociates
USA
165 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 11:44:20
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Freg14:
To echo Dmars, be sure to choose a holster that won't snag the trigger (re-holstering is probably the most likely time for an AD), and be careful about clothing and other items getting into it (not to mention fingers  ) during holstering.
If it's an IWB or pocket holster, in particular, be sure that your holster protects the trigger area, too.
The safety + trigger setup that Walther uses here (along with similar designs) is pretty good insurance against an AD, but foreign materials can jam the thing up.... (The XD's grip safety really doesn't help much unless your holstering technique involves not touching it. Try it and you'll see....)
About carrying with one in the chamber.... One of the problems we have in Self Defense situations when drawing from a concealed location is time.... The Law Enforcement community likes the "Tueller Distance", which is agreed to be about 21', and says that if a BG is coming at you from within 21', you probably won't be able to draw.... This is from an Open Carry situation....
Meantime, many states have laws (or nasty prosecutors) who get real uptight if you unholster, or even uncover, your weapon without some serious hazards already in play. You just won't have time to chamber a round if needed, not to mention that being a 2-handed chore in most cases without some very solid practice.
You didn't sign on to all this to carry a club....
Don't go into shock when you find good holsters for over $50.... Leather seems to have jumped up like ammunition did.... I hate Kydex, but it should be cheaper. Buy one that feels good on you (with the gun in it ), and, of course, fits the gun, and gives it back to you when you want it. Serious retention really isn't critical for concealed carry, but I still prefer a top strap. The general rule is that you buy about five of them for each one that you actually use. My suggestion there is to find a dealer that carry's "Uncle Mike's" and buy a few likely suspects from them. Then, when you pick one you really like, find it in good leather at Don Hume, DeSantis, Safariland, etc. The Uncle Mike's rigs are very inexpensive, and, IMHO, generally not worth that much, but they will point you in the right direction.
Regards,
Stu. |
Why write a quick note when you can write a novel? |
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Freg14
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 15:27:42
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Thanks for the feed back. My father, also a newbie to CCW, believes that he would have enough time to chamber a round and does not carry with a chambered round do to safety concerns (he has a S&W M&P 9). I disagree with him that there would not be enough time to chamber a round in certain SD situations. My other thought was that if you chambered a round under stress, you could have a FTF and then you are screwed. If you carry with a chambered round, you know that you get a shot off.
I am considering getting a IWB holster from Crossbreed. Any thoughts? |
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SMMAssociates
USA
165 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 22:32:26
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Freg14:
Time to grab some dummy rounds and very carefully show him how long it takes to chamber a round when somebody's coming at you....
It's also important to note that in many states drawing your weapon to chamber a round can be a violation ("brandishing" or some such) - you can't expect to chamber a round like the guys on TV do....
(You're correct about misfeeds too. Some guns just don't like to manually feed once in a while. I've got an otherwise perfect Kimber that won't always let me put the first round in the chamber with range loads on the first try....)
I don't have any experience with Crossbreed but I've also never heard any complaints....
Regards
Stu. |
Why write a quick note when you can write a novel? |
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45FAN
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2010 : 14:08:23
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| Great Post Dmars! Bravo! |
Walther PPS 9mm
Glock 19
Kimber Ultra Carry II |
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chrislind2
USA
8 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2010 : 06:25:30
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When my mother found out I carry concealed, she said, "It's not loaded is it?". Like our concealed instructor said, an unload rifle is a club and an unloaded handgun is a rock.
I have always carried a S&W .38 revolver until I bought the PPS .40.
I feel something is wrong if I am not carrying my firearm, and I get the same kind of feeling if it does not have a chambered round. I do not expect to ever have to "cowboy quickdraw" my weapon, but getting it out of the holster is the most I want to do if I need it, chambering a round is not an option.
Thanks for the heads up about a cheap cell phone case for a spare magazine, now why didn't I think of that? |
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Alan
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 13:28:43
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Good list. I believe in carrying a back-up. Something could break in your primary, it was knocked out of your hand and under a parked vehicle or the other party could have taken it from you.
I carry at least two magazines. I carry my second gun on my left ankle. I carry two extra magazines, in a Velcro holder, on my right ankle. This makes the buldge in the left ankle less noticeable. I also carry at least one magazine where I can easily access it.
Call me paranoid, if you wish, but I've had three experiences that made me see the light. Two incidents involved 3 opponents and the other with 5. I talked my way out of the first two and fought my way out of the 5 on 1. Thank God I was into body building back then and much younger than now.
I was a boy scout and I still believe in being prepared. Obviously we can't carry enough for every single possibility, but it isn't difficult to carry more than one firearm and one magazine.
I began carrying in the seventies. I pushed on the door to a 7 - 11 and there was a woman pushing back. She was terrifired and told me she had gotten robbed a gun point. I asked how long ago and she said less than 10 seconds ago. I became very aware of my surroundings after that - and I got my permit and started carrying. |
Glock 19/20/23/27/29/30/36
Colt Commander LW .45
ParaOrdinance P10-45
ParaOrdinance P14-45
Kimber Ultra Raptor .45
Astra 9 shot .22 revolver
Kimber Grand Raptor .45
Colt Det. Spl. Nickel .38
FN .32
Ruger LCP .380
Colt Mustang Pony .380
Baur .25
N. American Arms .22LR
FNH Five Seven 5.7 x 28mm
XD Compact .45
Ruger SR9c 9mm
NRA member
AK-47, AR-15, SKS, 2-.22's, Rem. 870, 2 other 12ga, M1 Carbine, Winchester Lever 30-30,
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KenSr
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 14:00:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan
Good list. I believe in carrying a back-up. Something could break in your primary, it was knocked out of your hand and under a parked vehicle or the other party could have taken it from you.
I carry at least two magazines. I carry my second gun on my left ankle. I carry two extra magazines, in a Velcro holder, on my right ankle. This makes the buldge in the left ankle less noticeable. I also carry at least one magazine where I can easily access it.
Call me paranoid, if you wish, but I've had three experiences that made me see the light. Two incidents involved 3 opponents and the other with 5. I talked my way out of the first two and fought my way out of the 5 on 1. Thank God I was into body building back then and much younger than now.
I was a boy scout and I still believe in being prepared. Obviously we can't carry enough for every single possibility, but it isn't difficult to carry more than one firearm and one magazine.
I began carrying in the seventies. I pushed on the door to a 7 - 11 and there was a woman pushing back. She was terrifired and told me she had gotten robbed a gun point. I asked how long ago and she said less than 10 seconds ago. I became very aware of my surroundings after that - and I got my permit and started carrying.
Wow! Alan I thing I would move, and stay away from the wrong areas.
I don't think most LEO'S carry that much and they have to go in bad places. |
Edited by - KenSr on 04/09/2010 14:02:20 |
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Alan
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2010 : 13:23:12
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My post must not have made it here. I had posted that I did move. All of that happened in Atlanta, GA. But Valdosta is growing, gangs are active and crime and murders are at what seems like an all time high
As for my carrying more than LE, that isn't true here. All of them, that I know, carry a BUG and 2 magazines on their belt. That just puts me 1 magazine ahead. But, I don't have back up, a nearby vehicle with extra mags, a shotguns and many also have an AR-15, with extra mags. The Hollywood shoot out made LE, around the country, realize how poorly equipped they were. LE here also carry pepper spray, Tazers, a baton, etc.
So in comparison I am less prepared than they. Plus, I had a serious wake-up call here that could have resulted with me shooting it out with three armed men who just robbed a bank and had pepper sprayed the employees. What was I carrying back then? A .380 on my left ankle with NO extra mags. All they had to do was stop their vehicle and opened up on me. It is a long story how I got in that situation, but after it was over, I was scared as heck. Never plan on just a one on one situation. Plus, if you have a gun with 6 rounds and they have 14+ round guns, you are out gunned even one on one. Sermon is over!
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Glock 19/20/23/27/29/30/36
Colt Commander LW .45
ParaOrdinance P10-45
ParaOrdinance P14-45
Kimber Ultra Raptor .45
Astra 9 shot .22 revolver
Kimber Grand Raptor .45
Colt Det. Spl. Nickel .38
FN .32
Ruger LCP .380
Colt Mustang Pony .380
Baur .25
N. American Arms .22LR
FNH Five Seven 5.7 x 28mm
XD Compact .45
Ruger SR9c 9mm
NRA member
AK-47, AR-15, SKS, 2-.22's, Rem. 870, 2 other 12ga, M1 Carbine, Winchester Lever 30-30,
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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2010 : 18:18:30
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| I lived in Atlanta for several years in the late 1980's. During that time the FBI called it the most violent city in America. I believe they were right. Oddly, this is the same time that I got my CCW..... |
Gun Control: A solution looking for a problem.
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JZizzle
49 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2010 : 19:48:34
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quote:
Originally posted by SMMAssociates
Freg14:
To echo Dmars, be sure to choose a holster that won't snag the trigger (re-holstering is probably the most likely time for an AD), and be careful about clothing and other items getting into it (not to mention fingers ) during holstering.
If it's an IWB or pocket holster, in particular, be sure that your holster protects the trigger area, too.
The safety + trigger setup that Walther uses here (along with similar designs) is pretty good insurance against an AD, but foreign materials can jam the thing up.... (The XD's grip safety really doesn't help much unless your holstering technique involves not touching it. Try it and you'll see....)
About carrying with one in the chamber.... One of the problems we have in Self Defense situations when drawing from a concealed location is time.... The Law Enforcement community likes the "Tueller Distance", which is agreed to be about 21', and says that if a BG is coming at you from within 21', you probably won't be able to draw.... This is from an Open Carry situation....
Meantime, many states have laws (or nasty prosecutors) who get real uptight if you unholster, or even uncover, your weapon without some serious hazards already in play. You just won't have time to chamber a round if needed, not to mention that being a 2-handed chore in most cases without some very solid practice.
You didn't sign on to all this to carry a club....
Don't go into shock when you find good holsters for over $50.... Leather seems to have jumped up like ammunition did.... I hate Kydex, but it should be cheaper. Buy one that feels good on you (with the gun in it ), and, of course, fits the gun, and gives it back to you when you want it. Serious retention really isn't critical for concealed carry, but I still prefer a top strap. The general rule is that you buy about five of them for each one that you actually use. My suggestion there is to find a dealer that carry's "Uncle Mike's" and buy a few likely suspects from them. Then, when you pick one you really like, find it in good leather at Don Hume, DeSantis, Safariland, etc. The Uncle Mike's rigs are very inexpensive, and, IMHO, generally not worth that much, but they will point you in the right direction.
Regards,
Stu.
That was very informative. Nice write up! |
Walther PPS-9
Glock 19, 26
Kimber Ultra Carry II
Bersa Thunder 380
Kel Tec PF9
Kel Tec P32
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