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M_E_
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 Posted - 10/17/2009 : 02:36:53
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| Did you guys know that the sights are designed so that if any of the front blade is in the rear sight notch, you will get a hit on a human size target at 7 yards? |
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PKL
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2009 : 04:55:18
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Originally posted by M_E_
Did you guys know that the sights are designed so that if any of the front blade is in the rear sight notch, you will get a hit on a human size target at 7 yards?
Source? #4 front sight or #3 front sight? |
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TDR911
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2009 : 10:36:59
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I want to thank Dmars for a great amount of information here.
I purchased a PPS and being a Walther fan with 4 other Walthers that I still have and a few that I have sold, I am not impressed with the PPS. I will post later on all the issues.
I generaly hang out at the Walthers forum and see many of the members there are here also.
Great site.
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Cooter
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2010 : 09:50:38
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| First of all, thank you Dmars for all of the information. I am a new member to this forum (which I can directly thank for for the purchase of my PPS9). I field stripped it for a good cleaning and lube before I go to the range tomorrow, but I was not able to pull the slide all the way back when reattaching it to the frame with the backstrap on. It felt like it was getting stuck on something (I couldn't really tell what it was), but I was able to reattach it with the backstrap removed. I noticed, from the original post, that I should be able to clean it without removing the backstrap. I was just wondering if there is something special I need to do to reattach the slide with the backstrap on. If anyone could help me with this that would be great! |
"Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater." - Peter Venetoklis
Walther PPS 9mm
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Edited by - Cooter on 01/13/2010 09:51:47 |
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jagged97
USA
42 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2010 : 13:21:56
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| After ensuring the gun is safe (visually and physically check the chamber), pull the trigger before stripping. That should solve the problem. Unless you did that originally, in which case, I have no idea. |
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Cooter
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2010 : 10:35:49
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So I couldn't wait to go shoot my new PPS and I ended up putting the first 100 rounds throught it last night. I then field stripped it to clean it and the slide went right back on this time with out a hitch (with the backstrap left in place). I guess what ever it was that didn't allow it to slide back on with the backstrap in place worked itself out. Good News!
P.S. I didn't have one single problem with FTFs or FTEs (Knock on wood). The only thing I can report is that there were about 4 times within the first 50 rounds where the slide didn't fully return to battery when I was putting the first round in the chamber. It worked flawlessly for the last 50 and I must say I am very impressed with how accurate this little gun is!
...and thank you for the quick response and the help jagged. |
"Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater." - Peter Venetoklis
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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2010 : 17:38:21
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Cooter, two things normally cause this.
1) The ejector (not the extractor) hitting into the small hook on the firing pin. This hook is beside (connected to) the sear area on the firing pin. The ejector must pass over the top of the hook in order for the slide to be completely installed. Many times you can "giggle" the weapon and it will pass through the hook. If not, remove the slide and physically move the firing pin (striker) a little and it will pass by.
2) You are pulling the slide back too far when you disassemble the weapon. A Glock slide can be pulled back quite a ways to release pressure on the take-down lever, a PPS can not. It only takes less than one quarter of an inch of rear slide movement and the disconnector engages. If this happens the slide can be removed (though it is a little hard on the cruciform) but the disconnector must be reset in order for the slide to be reinstalled. It can be reset by moving the trigger slightly forward as you discovered or by pressing down directly on the cruciform.
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Edited by - Dmars on 02/12/2010 15:31:21 |
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Cooter
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2010 : 19:14:25
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| Well, like I said, the problem seemed to fix itself after a put some rounds through it. Thank you though for the information Dmars, just in case the problem pops up again. |
"Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater." - Peter Venetoklis
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Lvmike
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2010 : 00:48:20
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| HAs anyone polished their chamber? If so what results did you see? |
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creapy crawler
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2010 : 10:07:14
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Originally posted by Lvmike
HAs anyone polished their chamber? If so what results did you see?
This is not recommended for semi auto pistol. All semi auto cartridges locate of the front of the case and this ridge. You do not want in anyway to round the edge of that ridge or you cartridges may not locate properly. Usually too deep causing the primer to be to far in for the striker to reach properly. Unless you are having trouble there is no need to touch the chamber if you are having trouble send it back to the factory. |
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Lvmike
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2010 : 23:54:43
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I didn't intend to polish my chamber as I'm not having any problems. I have heard of the top of the chamber of a handgun being polished to help feeding problems, but I don't think I would do it to a firearm I owned because I would be afraid of taking the chamber out of spec and, the dangers that would create.
Just interested to see what leangths people would go to. |
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Chris74
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 15:32:04
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WOW, dmars...Great chunk of information you've posted here. I've been searching high and low to find some info on this "going into battery" issue. I will certainly try the 300 slide pulls along with lube on the disconnector.
I'm not much of a Smithy beyond a good cleaning, how does one go about polishing the Feed Ramp? I did notice early on the blueing was worn off in this area giving it the appearance of being scratched. I thought it was odd they would blue this area just to have it worn off after a few shots.
Thanks for the great info. |
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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2010 : 18:21:14
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Chris, the feeding ramp is polished pretty well from Walther. I think you are referring to the cartridge loading ramp since you mentioned that it is "blued" (it's actually parkerized). On page three of this thread several of us state how we polished this area.
http://ppstalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=799&whichpage=3
After reading several of your posts, you are most likely experiencing early break-in issues that will work out after a few hundred or so rounds. Hang in there and give the weapon a good break-in period. |
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eert
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 17:22:42
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I'm familiar with the location of a trigger bar in a revolver, but don't know much about pistols. Even looking at the part list and diagram posted on the German Walther PPS page, I couldn't find a "trigger bar". Where exactly should one lube the disconnector? Also, what type of lube are you using/reccomend? Any issues with using the Dupont Teflon Multi-Use Dry, Wax Lubricant. I use this on the bolts for Ruger 10/22 aand Mark II's, and it seems to keep the guns running cleaner with less ejection issues on long range sessions. Figured on using it on at least the slide/frame lube points.
Thanks much. |
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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 22:06:32
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Here is my post from page 2:
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Looking down into the frame of the firearm with the slide removed, the trigger bar lies along the right side. The trigger is spring loaded back so just move the trigger forward a little and you will see the trigger bar move with the trigger.
If you move the trigger too far forward the split trigger safety will engage and lock the trigger. If this happens, put your finger behind the trigger and use your thumb or other finger to push the trigger safety and gently allow the trigger to return to the full, rear position.
The picture on the left that I posted is labeled "disconnector" and the line points directly onto the disconnector tang. Follow the trigger bar back to the disconnector and you will see where the bar slides across the disconnector.
Any grit or powder residue that gets between the trigger bar and the frame or the trigger bar and the disconnector will make the trigger feel gritty.
I use a aerosol solvent to blast this area and than dry it with compressed air and then re-oil.
I have never used Dupont Teflon Multi-Use Dry so I cannot comment. I have used Break Free CLP, DriSlide w/molybdenum and http://www.militec1.com. All are good products. |
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wiseguy52
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 14:53:35
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| I just bought a PPS 40 today. It is used, but looks as though it has never been fired. This is great information and I appreciate it. I will let you know how it does after I shoot it this weekend. |
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regor60
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Posted - 03/14/2010 : 07:31:59
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Originally posted by M_E_
Did you guys know that the sights are designed so that if any of the front blade is in the rear sight notch, you will get a hit on a human size target at 7 yards?
By my calculation, if any part of the front sight shows up in the rear sight notch, a span of 18 inches will be covered over 7 yards.
This is based on the span of 3 front sight dots, with each covering 6 inches, itself based on a 1.3 degree arc length |
Edited by - regor60 on 03/14/2010 08:02:34 |
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Reuben
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 09:59:19
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My PPS has been mostly trouble free. Mine came with a "H"eavy disconnector which was near impossible to use so I had to have my gunsmith replace it with a "S"tandard. I am having the same trouble as Cooter during reassembly - the slide does not go back on some times and I have had to remove the backstrap. I will look at the other causes suggested.
I do have a question - an observation. If I release a partially loaded magazine after chambering a round, the top round in the magazine is 30% forward and comiming out of the magazine. I am not having any trouble cycling or firing, but today when I removed the magazine the top round actually popped out. Has anybody else seen this or have any ideas why this is happening?
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jmhyer
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 10:27:04
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Originally posted by Reuben
If I release a partially loaded magazine after chambering a round, the top round in the magazine is 30% forward and coming out of the magazine.
I have noticed that also. And I, too, have never had a problem with cycling. |
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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2010 : 18:50:13
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Originally posted by Reuben
I am having the same trouble as Cooter during reassembly - the slide does not go back on some times and I have had to remove the backstrap. I will look at the other causes suggested.
I do have a question - an observation. If I release a partially loaded magazine after chambering a round, the top round in the magazine is 30% forward and comiming out of the magazine. I am not having any trouble cycling or firing, but today when I removed the magazine the top round actually popped out. Has anybody else seen this or have any ideas why this is happening?
You should never have to remove the back strap to remove or install the slide. This is most likely the cause:
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You are pulling the slide back too far when you disassemble the weapon. A Glock slide can be pulled back quite a ways to release pressure on the take-down lever, a PPS can not. It only takes less than one quarter of an inch of rear slide movement and the disconnector engages. If this happens the slide can be removed (though it is a little hard on the cruciform) but the disconnector must be reset in order for the slide to be reinstalled. It can be reset by moving the trigger slightly forward as you discovered or by pressing down directly on the cruciform.
Finding the top round in the magazine pushed forward is normal for a magazine like the PPS that holds the rounds at a fairly steep angle. This occurs with both of my .40's using any of my magazines. It does not affect reliability and is not a problem. |
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Reuben
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2010 : 07:07:41
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| Thank you both for this advice and information. I'm glad to know my PPS is working properly. I'm going to try disassembling by pulling the slide back less far. Thanks again. |
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low trq
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Posted - 03/26/2010 : 16:35:04
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| your #9 in your first post is spot on. My wife had this problem when she first shot my PPS and I couldn't figure out what the problem was. |
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Pouledous
USA
26 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2010 : 21:23:32
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Originally posted by Dmars
Walther PPS Observations:
I believe that by following these steps, 90 to 100 percent of the problems that are associated with this handgun can be alleviated. That's if you are having any problems at all in the first place. Most owners are not.
I compiled this list based on 18 months ownership of two Walther PPS's, twenty years as a "amateur gunsmith", and many hours spent on Walther PPS forums.
This is a great firearm that needs a little extra attention during the break-in period and light lubrication of the disconnector. Note: On a Glock this is called a "connector".
Hi Dmars,
Brand new PPS owner here. As soon as I got home, printed out your checklist and went over my new PPS-9 step by step.
Really appreciate all the info and benefit of your experience.
Very glad I found this site: the primary reason I went with the PPS
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your property, then last of all they tell you to shut up and say you are enjoying it."
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Dmars
USA
863 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2010 : 22:15:18
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| You purchased a great weapon. Enjoy and welcome to the forum. |
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dec41971
44 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2010 : 23:05:43
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Originally posted by Reuben
My PPS has been mostly trouble free. Mine came with a "H"eavy disconnector which was near impossible to use so I had to have my gunsmith replace it with a "S"tandard. I am having the same trouble as Cooter during reassembly - the slide does not go back on some times and I have had to remove the backstrap. I will look at the other causes suggested.
I do have a question - an observation. If I release a partially loaded magazine after chambering a round, the top round in the magazine is 30% forward and comiming out of the magazine. I am not having any trouble cycling or firing, but today when I removed the magazine the top round actually popped out. Has anybody else seen this or have any ideas why this is happening?
Thanks,
Jeff
I don't know where you live, but if you live in MA, you might want to be careful doing that. the "H" is because of MA law, and if you live outside of MA, the PPS comes with the "S". I know I bought two PPS in two different calibers at two different locations. Anyway if you ever use your gun in SD situation, it will be taken and examined. If you had modified it (Its illegal by the way) you know what they will do to you... 
Not saying you will ever use it, but it doesn't hurt to take every precaution you can. |
Edited by - dec41971 on 05/03/2010 23:07:07 |
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